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nickcarr
 Post subject: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:34 pm 
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Boeing has officially switched to Motorola P25! Their older analog system is now defunct. It appears that TGID's have changed on the new system as well.

I would appreciate users filling in the missing information. Basically I'd love to get Pro96com info from the other sites, such as voice freqs, identifiers, etc. TGID descriptions would be helpful too.

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APCO-P25 (BEE00-3A5)

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[03A5] Site 101 (Peers:  103, 104, 105, 107, 108, 118, 119)
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Primary CC   853.7625

Alternate CC   853.4625
               853.0125
               852.2625

Voice Freqs   851.5125
              852.2625
              853.0125

Identifier   851.5125   (WNLH288)

   
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[03A5] Site 103 Bellevue (Peers:  101, 104)   CALLSIGNS:  WPTG365, WPAV310
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Primary CC   854.7125

Alternate CC   854.4625

Voice Freqs   851.5625

Identifier   854.0625
             860.4125

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[03A5] Site 104 (FAILED)
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Primary CC   852.4125


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[03A5] Site 105
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Primary CC   851.5625


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[03A5] Site 107
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Primary CC   859.3375


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[03A5] Site 108
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Primary CC   859.3375


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[03A5] Site 118
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Primary CC   852.2875


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[03A5] Site 119
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Primary CC   852.2875


Known Sites        BSI Transmit Freq      License for BSI
------------       -----------------      ---------------
Seattle            856.4125               wptg635
Renton             856.3375               wptg635
Longacres          856.2875               wpmi953
Bellevue           854.0625               wpav310
Sea-Tac            857.3375               wptg635
Everett            862.5125               wnxu325


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Active TGIDS FOR BOEING
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519
555
559      "Central"
561      Security?
793
1539
1605
1613
1619
1625
1635
1811
2051      "Dispatch"
2053      Buses?
2055      Responses to 2051 (Patched to 2051)
2057
2059
2109
2115
2117
2123
2125
2129
2131
2139
2195
2511
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dste
 Post subject: Re: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:25 pm 
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This is what I have heard so far...

107=7 Auburn NAC 3A0
108=8 Fredrickson NAC 3A0
111=11 Renton NAC 3A0
118=18 SeaTac NAC 3A0
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FlashP
 Post subject: Re: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:34 am 
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Last I checked, the TGs were the same as before... in the proper language.

Old "2cb0" (which was really 2cb + status bits) is now new "2cb", so 11440 >> 00715 (divide by 16).

I haven't listened lately, suspect there will be some TG updates.

The old system is not completely gone, some sites are still in use.
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cparris2
 Post subject: Re: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:27 pm 
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FWIW, the Boeing trunked site in the Portland area is still Motorola type II.

854.9125
855.4375
855.6875

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airwolfbell222
 Post subject: Re: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:09 pm 
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I spent most of last week listening to Renton since I work at the airport. I'll post my id next week
Franz
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midnightcaller
 Post subject: Re: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:41 pm 
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Are you sure they went to P25 I have them in my scanner and they are still using the old system

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airwolfbell222
 Post subject: Re: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:48 pm 
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I was listening to CC on 852.5625 which appeared to be for the Renton plant, but now it's silent except yesterday I heard a couple radio techs.
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Rodentkj
 Post subject: Re: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:23 pm 
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I flipped on the Boeing TRS this morning on the way in to work. I like to listen to Boeing Everett FD from time to time when something is brewing.

Anyway.... As of this morning the existing analog moto 800 TRS was still up and running.

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nickcarr
 Post subject: Re: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:12 pm 
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airwolfbell222 wrote:
I was listening to CC on 852.5625 which appeared to be for the Renton plant, but now it's silent except yesterday I heard a couple radio techs.


852.5625 is not one of the 3A5 system nodes. Are you seeing the SysId? Is it 3A0? That is the analog system.
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nickcarr
 Post subject: Re: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:12 pm 
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midnightcaller wrote:
Are you sure they went to P25 I have them in my scanner and they are still using the old system


Yes.
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nickcarr
 Post subject: Re: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:14 pm 
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Rodentkj wrote:
I flipped on the Boeing TRS this morning on the way in to work. I like to listen to Boeing Everett FD from time to time when something is brewing.

Anyway.... As of this morning the existing analog moto 800 TRS was still up and running.


Okay well just to be clear, I'm not interested in the old analog system. We know that some of the old system is still around. That's great but not the thread topic. :)

I've posted the list of CC's for the 3A5 system. Please check those CC's only. If you're seeing 3A0 then that is the old analog network.

I'll check tonight to see if that list has been updated at all.

If there are any SYSID conflicts then please let me know. (Example: If you see SYSID 3A0 on one of the control channels that I posted.)
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Rodentkj
 Post subject: Re: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:22 pm 
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Nick.

Your right. My intention was not to hijack your thread.

My point was you had said the old analog system was "now defunct". I took that as meaning that the analog radio system had been shut down. Which we know is not the case.

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nickcarr
 Post subject: Re: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:26 pm 
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Rodentkj wrote:
Nick.

Your right. My intention was not to hijack your thread.

My point was you had said the old analog system was "now defunct". I took that as meaning that the analog radio system had been shut down. Which we know is not the case.


Well for my location it is... ;) I guess certain sites are staying up for whatever reason. I *think* the analog sites will get shutdown very soon though.

No worries. I just want to track down the P25 sites and their locations. I've been lazy on this myself. I still need to program my 996XT but have been sick lately -- and still at work! :D
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FlashP
 Post subject: Re: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:33 am 
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Looks like Longacres is starting the cut-over: site 104, 856.2875 MHz.
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nickcarr
 Post subject: Re: Boeing P25
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:48 am 
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FlashP wrote:
Looks like Longacres is starting the cut-over: site 104, 856.2875 MHz.


Still showing up as 03A5 or 03A0 for SYSID?
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