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| Author: | TMF [ Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Looks like new WSP freqs |
Looks like WSP has some new frequencies planned for the Skagit county area. I was doing a search in the FCC database and found the following was filed as of October 22nd: File Number: 0003616155 Licensee: WASHINGTON, STATE OF City: BELLEVUE, WA Radio Service: PW Public Safety Pool, Conventional Status: Pending (New) Site: 1 Address: BURLINGTON HILL N OF City: BURLINGTON, WA County: SKAGIT Coordinates: 48° 29' 0.0" N, 122° 19' 24.0" W Frequency: 154.77750000 154.78500000 154.79250000 155.01000000 Site: 2 State: WA Frequency: 154.77750000 154.78500000 154.79250000 155.01000000 This is the information that accompanies it; File Number 0003616155 Radio Service PW - Public Safety Pool, Conventional Call Sign Application Status 2 - Pending General Information Application Purpose NE - New Existing Radio Service Authorization Type Regular Emergency STA Receipt Date 10/21/2008 Action Date 10/22/2008 Entered Date 10/21/2008 Requested Expiration Date Waiver No Number of Rules Attachments No Grandfathered Privileges No Application Fee Exempt Yes Regulatory Fee Exempt Yes Major Request Yes Applicant Information FRN 0001563923 (View Ownership Filing) Type Governmental Entity Name WASHINGTON, STATE OF 2803 156TH AVE SE BELLEVUE, WA 98007-6599 ATTN STATE PATROL ESD P:(425)649-4654 F:(425)957-2364 E:jay.schmierer@wsp.wa.gov Something new to listen for! 73...Chuck |
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| Author: | kc7gr [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looks like new WSP freqs |
You are a keen observer, sir. That looks like the license for our experimental VHF trunking site at B-Hill. Fair warning: I recall that we'll be doing narrowband, with 2.5kHz deviation. I'm uncertain, at this time, which trunking type we'll be using, though Motorola looks likely. Happy listening. |
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| Author: | charlie fox [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looks like new WSP freqs |
kc7gr wrote: Fair warning: I recall that we'll be doing narrowband, with 2.5kHz deviation. I'm uncertain, at this time, which trunking type we'll be using, though Motorola looks likely. Could you translate that for a dumb old fireman like me? What does that mean for us that monitor WSP? |
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| Author: | jrw14493 [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looks like new WSP freqs |
Yea, ditto Fox's post. Does that mean that WSP is experimenting with VHF trunking? How do you know Jay? |
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| Author: | the Outlaw [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looks like new WSP freqs |
Isn't the deadline for narrow band coming up in the next few years? Probably has something to do with... |
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| Author: | SpudGunMan [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looks like new WSP freqs |
kc7gr wrote: You are a keen observer, sir. That looks like the license for our experimental VHF trunking site at B-Hill. Fair warning: I recall that we'll be doing narrowband, with 2.5kHz deviation. I'm uncertain, at this time, which trunking type we'll be using, though Motorola looks likely. Happy listening. that means that the new system will use NFM or narrow FM, NFM uses less bandwidth on the spectrum so you can fit more channels in a set space. with today's radios being better and more precise this is possible where it wasn't yesteryear. which further defined... 2.5kHz deviation, means that the channels can take up 2.5khz of bandwidth as apposed to the typical 5khz on FM today (this is required by FCC for 2012?) so whats this all mean to you the scanner? well AFAIK this system is only in test and looking at 4-8 years out before its even put into place. so no worry right now, if you have a scanner from the last 3 years you should be able to pick up the test site with no issue. However as mentioned there is a lot that could happen from now to 8 years out most likely you buying a new radio that would support whatever they use. |
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| Author: | TMF [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looks like new WSP freqs |
kc7gr wrote: You are a keen observer, sir. That looks like the license for our experimental VHF trunking site at B-Hill. Fair warning: I recall that we'll be doing narrowband, with 2.5kHz deviation. I'm uncertain, at this time, which trunking type we'll be using, though Motorola looks likely. Happy listening. Since trunking is done to consolidate more users into less spectrum, it begs the question to me! Who are they going to, or might they, share with? Maybe a DOT/WSP combined system! Maybe even throw DNR in there, for good measure! It would make sense to me to have those two, maybe three, agencies on the same band, given the cooperation between them with the Incident Response [Tom] Units operating on WSP systems. When do they [you] expect to start the actual experimenting part of this? 73..... |
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| Author: | MTM [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looks like new WSP freqs |
As Dick Lane would often say " WOW NEELLY !!!! " The new WSP application is NOT for any kind of a trunked radio system. It's for a 4 frequency -- narrow-band system, but NOT trunked. Sorry to yell -- but my post is to get the point accross. Not to worry. Just a 4 frequency narrow-band application. Keep in mind that the WSP and others often apply for several frequencys from the same location -- with the intent to use one frequency as a primary and another as a back-up. But unless the application is amended -- the pending application is only for a 4 frequency -- simplex narrow-band system. Not a trunked system. |
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| Author: | SpudGunMan [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looks like new WSP freqs |
yea i didnt comment on that ...I thought they were looking at a IP system |
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| Author: | N7QOR [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looks like new WSP freqs |
SpudGunMan wrote: kc7gr wrote: ... 2.5kHz deviation, means that the channels can take up 2.5khz of bandwidth as apposed to the typical 5khz on FM today (this is required by FCC for 2012?) Actually 2.5 = +/- 2.5KHz deviation. Emmission designator is 11K0(f3e) Meaning actual occupied bandwidth may be as much as 11KHz 5.0 = +/- 5KHz deviation Emmission designator is 20K0(f3e) Meaning actual occupied bandwidth may be as much as 20KHz Incidentally F3E = FM Other bands use 8K0, I think this is common in 800 MHz band and in 220MHz band that was STOLEN from us HAMs (wanna know how I REALLY feel about that?) |
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| Author: | SpudGunMan [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looks like new WSP freqs |
good catch, didnt read my post after typing to see i didn't clearly point that out. |
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| Author: | TMF [ Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looks like new WSP freqs |
MTM wrote: As Dick Lane would often say " WOW NEELLY !!!! " I don't know who Dick Lane is but, if you actually meant; "WHOA NELLY"....the person best known for that phrase is former sports caster and W.S.U. Alum, Kieth Jackson! Beyond that, thanks for the clarification! I'll be listening..... 73.... |
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| Author: | MTM [ Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looks like new WSP freqs |
Dick Lane was an actor and TV announcer on KTLA back in 1946 that first used "Whoa Nellie" while announcing Wrestling matches and Rollor Derby games. 20 years before Kieth Jackson came along. That was great TV programming. |
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| Author: | SpudGunMan [ Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looks like new WSP freqs |
my great great grampa willy said that to his prize filly (who's name was Nelly) in 1902 40 years before Lane :lol: :lol: |
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| Author: | TMF [ Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looks like new WSP freqs |
Quote: back in 1946 Sorry.... Just a couple years before my time...so I only remember the Keith Jackson version! 73... |
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