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 Post subject: Re: Yakima
PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:47 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Yakima
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:14 am 
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Thanks Joey... It looks like my spring quarter assignment is with ALS, but that may change. (as they often do)

If I do wind up over there, I'll make sure to get in touch and we can grab a bite or a beer (now that you're 21) or something.

And again, thanks for the great info.

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 Post subject: Re: Yakima
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:45 pm 
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Yea Joey the way Yakima and Hines are gobbling up your district you guys are going to be down to only having station 4 before too long and you're gonna be stuck running kool aid and cookies out of the old people for people rehab unit. :mrgreen:

I noticed now Yakima has an engine stationed at Union Gap Station 2 (the old broadway station) unknown if its manned or not.

Joey to your knowledge how many units does ALS have stationed in the upper valley? I've only seen three locations... The airport main location, 56th and tieton, and on E. Yakima Ave by the 7-11


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 Post subject: Re: Yakima
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:40 pm 
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Thanks guys... I appreciate all the help...

This is a great community here.

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 Post subject: Re: Yakima
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:39 pm 
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Yea Joey the way Yakima and Hines are gobbling up your district you guys are going to be down to only having station 4 before too long and you're gonna be stuck running kool aid and cookies out of the old people for people rehab unit. :mrgreen:


Yea...I don't want to talk about it. I usually start swearing and making threats...all while still being sober.

RDub wrote:
I noticed now Yakima has an engine stationed at Union Gap Station 2 (the old broadway station) unknown if its manned or not.


The've just begun remodeling Yakima Station 94 so Yakima moved into Station 86 there on Washington temporarily until their station is done being remodeled. Since the ARFF guy has to be @ the airport 24/7, he's moved into one of the maintenance facilities on the grounds and lives in the loft of this garage-type thing all by himself 24/7.
Kind of sad if you ask me. The city spends a lot of time at a local hardware store buying things with city funds to upgrade Union Gap's station to make it liveable to their standards, including a $300 BBQ. (Yes, this is the same department who's crying poor mouth, wanting to pass an EMS levy and wants to put a Fire Apparatus Bond on the ballot because "they have no money.")

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Joey to your knowledge how many units does ALS have stationed in the upper valley? I've only seen three locations... The airport main location, 56th and tieton, and on E. Yakima Ave by the 7-11


To the best of my knowledge (isn’t quite what it should be, my head is full of snot right now) they have stations @:

56th and Tieton
40th and Summitview
Somewhere around Yakima Regional Hospital
Airport
E. Yakima Ave. by 7-11

I think that's it. They have around 7-8 ambulances that they run. Life 1-9. Just got 2 new ones last year – Life 7 and Life 8.

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 Post subject: Re: Yakima
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:25 pm 
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Yea...I don't want to talk about it. I usually start swearing and making threats...all while still being sober.

The've just begun remodeling Yakima Station 94 so Yakima moved into Station 86 there on Washington temporarily until their station is done being remodeled. Since the ARFF guy has to be @ the airport 24/7, he's moved into one of the maintenance facilities on the grounds and lives in the loft of this garage-type thing all by himself 24/7.
Kind of sad if you ask me. The city spends a lot of time at a local hardware store buying things with city funds to upgrade Union Gap's station to make it liveable to their standards, including a $300 BBQ. (Yes, this is the same department who's crying poor mouth, wanting to pass an EMS levy and wants to put a Fire Apparatus Bond on the ballot because "they have no money.")




The apparatus bond from what I can see is kinda needed but not to the extent that they are talking.

They are still running Truck 91 (interesting piece a rearmount aerial with a top mount pump) which is I believe a 94 or 95
Engine 91 is I think one of those old spartan/darley rigs which is like a 90 or 91
Truck 93 is I think a 94 or 95 (going to be replaced by tiller already on order from what I know)
Engine 92 is either a 99 or 2000.

From what I am hearing they want E-91,92,93,94 replaced as well as T-91


IMO they only really need a new Truck 91 and a new E-92 and move exsisting E-92 to St.91 as E-91 and put the exsisting E-91 to reserve.

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 Post subject: Re: Yakima
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:58 pm 
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-Truck 91 does need to be replaced and that will be accomplished with a stick tiller here come March. No platform, just a stick. Truck 91 has a neat tag axle, but when you drive your ladder trucks to aid calls, they tend to break-down often and wear out prematurely.
-Truck 93 was purchased somewhere near the death of Rusty Hauber, the firefighter that died in the Roza Irrigation siphon, I'm assuming because the truck bears his name on the front. Our Engine 11 bears the name of Jessica Johnson, a firefighter that died in the 30-mile fire back in the early 2000's. Kind of neat to do something like that.
-Yakima purchased 3 engines in the early 90's (Originally Yakima 11, Yakima 51 and Yakima 31). I think they still have all 3, but I know they have at least 2 of them for sure. They are currently being held as reserve apparatus. Their reserve apparatus that they use maybe 10 times a year is what is due to be replaced.
-Engine 95 was purchased new in 2007 and finally was put into service just the past year. It came with a 750 gallon tank and was supposed to go to Station 92 because of Yakima's semi-rural response area out here, hence the extra 250 gallons of water compared to all of the other trucks. The old HME Engine 95 became Engine 92. I would agree it is somewhere in the 1999 - 2000 range and is due for replacement, according to YFD and NFPA standards. (Keep in mind NFPA standards are not laws)
-Engine 94 was purchased new the year before Engine 95 and Engine 93 was purchased new the year before Engine 94. So in the last three years, 3 of Yakima's first-out engines were replaced, leaving 2 first-out engines (92 and 91) left to be replaced, plus the platform, plus whatever else they can come up with that needs replacing.

I understand that equipment wears out and needs to be replaced. What I don't understand is why they needed to spend $1 million dollars on that stupid tiller when a $750,000 rear-mount stick would have sufficed, just like they have now. They could have purchased a rear-mount stick and a new pumper for the price of that stupid tiller. Even at $1 million dollars, the tiller doesn't even have a bucket -- it's just a stick! I also hope that they didn't spend that kind of money and then expect this bond to pass to pay for it. I haven't heard much more about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Yakima
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:47 am 
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jrw14493 wrote:
-Truck 91 does need to be replaced and that will be accomplished with a stick tiller here come March. No platform, just a stick. Truck 91 has a neat tag axle, but when you drive your ladder trucks to aid calls, they tend to break-down often and wear out prematurely.
-Truck 93 was purchased somewhere near the death of Rusty Hauber, the firefighter that died in the Roza Irrigation siphon, I'm assuming because the truck bears his name on the front. Our Engine 11 bears the name of Jessica Johnson, a firefighter that died in the 30-mile fire back in the early 2000's. Kind of neat to do something like that.
-Yakima purchased 3 engines in the early 90's (Originally Yakima 11, Yakima 51 and Yakima 31). I think they still have all 3, but I know they have at least 2 of them for sure. They are currently being held as reserve apparatus. Their reserve apparatus that they use maybe 10 times a year is what is due to be replaced.
-Engine 95 was purchased new in 2009. It came with a 750 gallon tank and was supposed to go to Station 92 because of Yakima's semi-rural response area out here, hence the extra 250 gallons of water compared to all of the other trucks. The old HME Engine 95 became Engine 92. I would agree it is somewhere in the 1999 - 2000 range and is due for replacement, according to YFD and NFPA standards. (Keep in mind NFPA standards are not laws)
-Engine 94 was purchased new the year before Engine 95 and Engine 93 was purchased new the year before Engine 94. So in the last three years, 3 of Yakima's first-out engines were replaced, leaving 2 first-out engines (92 and 91) left to be replaced, plus the platform, plus whatever else they can come up with that needs replacing.

I understand that equipment wears out and needs to be replaced. What I don't understand is why they needed to spend $1 million dollars on that stupid tiller when a $750,000 rear-mount stick would have sufficed, just like they have now. They could have purchased a rear-mount stick and a new pumper for the price of that stupid tiller. Even at $1 million dollars, the tiller doesn't even have a bucket -- it's just a stick! I also hope that they didn't spend that kind of money and then expect this bond to pass to pay for it. I haven't heard much more about it.



Ah ok, I was assuming it was truck 93 that was getting replaced with the tiller unit. http://www.kimatv.com/news/19687869.html
I remember seeing that unit operate at the Granger mill fire in 94 or 95. It was quite a sight, Granger's water supply isn't the greatest and when they would open both monitors it would pretty much stress the city's supply. Hell, I am really showing my age here by saying that lol. I would be showing it even more by telling you that I still remember when the yfd's mechanics complex was the Fruitvale station and none of that out there was city of yakima yet.

In which a rear or even mid mount platform would have done the job. Then you wouldn't have the initial training issues with having to train a tillerman and have two drivers for the rig and you still have the flexibility of the platform for all around use including rescue.

And T-91 why it only has a single wheeled tag instead of a true tandem is beyond me. That would have made a lot more sense.


They still have all of the 3 original sister darley engines. Which are past their prime also those spartan chassis arent the best out there and it shows. I am assuming from what I am hearing that getting new engines other than E-95 would be rid of those 19-20 yr old trucks and put some 3-4 yr old trucks into reserve. Usually thats the way it works most places, but ol charlie needs to realize yakima isn't like most places.

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 Post subject: Re: Yakima
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:01 am 
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I assumed they were replacing Truck 91 with the tiller. I assumed that because replacing the platform with a stick doesn't make that much sense to me. But then again, who am I kidding?

In any regard, if they keep driving their ladder trucks to aid calls, they'll keep wearing them out.

Placing a 3-4 year old truck in reserve doesn't make that much sense to me either....There are departments that would LOVE to have even a 10 year old truck as their first out truck. (I know a few in Grant County who are still using pretty dated equipment and I'm sure there might be some here in the county who would like them as well.)

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jrw14493 wrote:
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-Truck 93 was purchased somewhere near the death of Rusty Hauber, the firefighter that died in the Roza Irrigation siphon, I'm assuming because the truck bears his name on the front. Our Engine 11 bears the name of Jessica Johnson, a firefighter that died in the 30-mile fire back in the early 2000's. Kind of neat to do something like that.
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-Engine 95 was purchased new in 2009. It came with a 750 gallon tank and was supposed to go to Station 92 because of Yakima's semi-rural response area out here, hence the extra 250 gallons of water compared to all of the other trucks. The old HME Engine 95 became Engine 92. I would agree it is somewhere in the 1999 - 2000 range and is due for replacement, according to YFD and NFPA standards. (Keep in mind NFPA standards are not laws)
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I understand that equipment wears out and needs to be replaced. What I don't understand is why they needed to spend $1 million dollars on that stupid tiller when a $750,000 rear-mount stick would have sufficed, just like they have now. They could have purchased a rear-mount stick and a new pumper for the price of that stupid tiller. Even at $1 million dollars, the tiller doesn't even have a bucket -- it's just a stick! I also hope that they didn't spend that kind of money and then expect this bond to pass to pay for it. I haven't heard much more about it.


Here are some other things to consider. The rear mount stick they have now only has a 75ft vertical reach. They bought the platform to be able to reach the tallest occupied floor in Yakima. (Think insurance ratings.) The platform has a 102ft height. The tiller aerial can probably reach the tallest occupied floor in Yakima too. What do you get with a tractor drawn aerial? They have more strorage space that a straight stick. That might be useful if they are trying to carry more technical rescue gear. The TDA is also more maneuverable. How many tight housing developments are in Yakima these days? How many more being planned for the future?

"stupid tiller" I would encourage gaining a greater understanding of their plans before putting forth such criticism.

By the way, the platform was purchased at least two years before Rusty Hauber died in the canal incident. I also believe that NFPA standards can become law if a jurisdiction having authority makes them into law. (Look at the RCW and WAC for fire apparatus purchases.)

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 Post subject: Re: Yakima
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:50 pm 
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Brian,

I'm sorry you feel that way. I feel justified in making my claims based on my past experiences and ones to come with YFD. I also feel educated, but not entirely, hence why I said things like "I think" and "assumed" and "to the best of my knowledge" and "around." I'm not going for 100% accurate, without a doubt statements here, just statements based on my past experiences.

I've also asked the mods to move this topic as I've dragged it off-topic.

Take Care and thanks! It's always nice knowing that there is somebody else that lived/lives in Yakima that can help the conversations along.

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 Post subject: Re: Yakima
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Well here it is...

http://www.crimson-fire.com/delivery.aspx?id=24228

** stirs the pot a lil more **

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 Post subject: Re: Yakima
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http://www.kimatv.com/news/61323242.html

According to this article Union Gap put up a hundred thousand toward the purchase price of the tiller.


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 Post subject: Re: Yakima
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http://www.kimatv.com/news/61323242.html

According to this article Union Gap put up a hundred thousand toward the purchase price of the tiller.


Yes they did. Because Union Gap's commercial properties are exploding in numbers, they are in need of a ladder apparatus (truck for you east coast-ers :D ) to better operate with and around these buildings. Because they can't afford a ladder truck, they put up the money to go in with Yakima on theirs and the tiller will be on automatic aid to Union Gap, depending on call type. Yakima's platform is already on Automatic Aid with them and Union Gap is on Automatic Aid with the City to structure fires in Yakima.

Union Gap is a whole other can of worms...

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