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| Author: | N7QOR [ Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | This is not good |
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/theblotter/2010439622_given_the_recent_deaths_of.html |
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| Author: | Brad [ Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:19 am ] |
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Yea - that's where the inspiration for P25 systems and shuffled band plans comes from.... |
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| Author: | N7QOR [ Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:30 am ] |
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Brad wrote: Yea - that's where the inspiration for P25 systems and shuffled band plans comes from.... I agree. Unfortunately, a well-to-do dipshit can interfere with conventional P25 as well. Thus, the radio hobbyist' worst nightmare - ENCRYPTION! |
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| Author: | Mark [ Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:05 pm ] |
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The downside is that 90% it was a ham radio. |
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| Author: | luminoxs [ Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:38 pm ] |
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Well if they went to a Motorola or an LTR trunking system, this would prevent this even though nothing is fool prof and radios can be cloned. They won't go encryption because your adding about 1.5K or more per radio with the cost of new radios. P25 or MDC1200 (like what ICOM using) non trunking radios would be good, then you would know who's talking, even though they can be cloned. Lets say that you have a P25 full encryption trunking system, that would stop someone from being able to do anything but then they wouldn't get federal grant money because they wouldn't be a interoperability system. You could link LERN, MARS or any analog non encrypted frequency but then you have a crack in the system... You just cant win... |
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| Author: | OWEN62 [ Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:45 pm ] |
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Mark wrote: The downside is that 90% it was a ham radio. I am sure it had to be, now days you can pick these radios real cheep on ebay from China. |
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| Author: | Atomic Taco [ Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:15 pm ] |
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luminoxs wrote: Well if they went to a Motorola or an LTR trunking system, this would prevent this even though nothing is fool prof and radios can be cloned. They won't go encryption because your adding about 1.5K or more per radio with the cost of new radios. P25 or MDC1200 (like what ICOM using) non trunking radios would be good, then you would know who's talking, even though they can be cloned. You can put any LTR radio on a LTR system provided you know the frequencies of the system, or at least the home repeater of the talkgroup you want to talk on. You don't have to clone it, and just because other radios on the system use MDC1200 doesn't mean that a rogue radio has to. |
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| Author: | luminoxs [ Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:28 pm ] |
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Atomic Taco wrote: You don't have to clone it, and just because other radios on the system use MDC1200 doesn't mean that a rogue radio has to. That true but then they wouldn't take the threat as serious because there is no MDC1200 ID and just send one officer other than a multi-agency response. |
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| Author: | Brad [ Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:06 pm ] |
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luminoxs wrote: Atomic Taco wrote: You don't have to clone it, and just because other radios on the system use MDC1200 doesn't mean that a rogue radio has to. That true but then they wouldn't take the threat as serious because there is no MDC1200 ID and just send one officer other than a multi-agency response. If an emergency call goes out, it's going to get a big response - period. Regardless of whether an MDC burst was heard....there's never any guarantee that the MDC will be heard or decoded at the comm center. The dispatchers, as good as they may be, aren't going to depend on that small piece of information to dictate their response. |
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| Author: | Vizwar [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:55 am ] |
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Brad wrote: luminoxs wrote: Atomic Taco wrote: You don't have to clone it, and just because other radios on the system use MDC1200 doesn't mean that a rogue radio has to. That true but then they wouldn't take the threat as serious because there is no MDC1200 ID and just send one officer other than a multi-agency response. If an emergency call goes out, it's going to get a big response - period. Regardless of whether an MDC burst was heard....there's never any guarantee that the MDC will be heard or decoded at the comm center. The dispatchers, as good as they may be, aren't going to depend on that small piece of information to dictate their response. A good console will mute the MDC-1200 out anyway. |
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| Author: | Sean [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:37 am ] |
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With the exception of fully encrypted systems, there isn't a single system around here I couldn't hack if I wanted to. I've made a choice not to do it, because I like my job and my freedom among other things. It was a matter of time before some idiot around here did something like this. The fallout is much greater than most of you think. It is no longer a local issue. I saw it on a small UHF Fox TV channel broadcast in San Antonio today. A lot of people are hyper sensitive for reasons that I cannot divulge publicly. This stunt will cause some choices to be made in future systems that may have a dramatic impact on the hobby thanks to one Asshat. |
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| Author: | Vizwar [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:44 am ] |
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It's everywhere.... even the NY Times... They story is syndicated and all over the wires. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/ ... 68962.html http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/wa ... 29280.html http://www.times.com/aponline/2009/12/0 ... eport.html http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/ ... 6647.shtml http://www.adn.com/nation/story/1043258.html http://www.thesunnews.com/253/story/1202457.html That's just the first half page of a Google search. I remember Pierce County having a problem with some guy playing music over the air but at least that was just interference and not faking a shoot... |
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| Author: | Rodentkj [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:00 am ] |
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It happened here in Snohomish County too. It was during the time when VHF was simulcasted on the 800 system. It was on SCSO South Main. I remember hearing it happen at least 2x. |
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| Author: | MTM [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:16 am ] |
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I think that Sean is correct in his statement -- that this one incident near Port Angeles, WA may cause some to look at "encryption" of their radio signals. This one small occurrance -- has come on the heels of the deaths of four police officers. This is the reason that the media has "run with" this small story and made a mountain out of one small mole rat. The FCC, Federal & local Law enforcement spent over two years tracking down one idiot in the Los Angeles area -- that was jamming police, fire and anything he could. The city of Bell, California has two simplex VHF channels -- 155.19 + 154.04 so it's NOT very difficult to Jam or make false calls. The Bell PD is also not the most smartist or honest agency. The city Police have been investigated by the feds on and off for years. Bell is one of a very few towns to allow "card casinos". Where there is big money -- there is big problems -- and that spells the City of Bell. The media could care less about what happens in the sleepy suburb of Bell. Not even with the City Police radio being Jammed on a regular basis. The FCC tracked the idiot Ham operator down and the courts put him in jail. The City of Bell is to this day -- one of only 12 City police agencys -- NOT using UHF as a primary spectrum, within Los Angeles County. In fact -- Bell PD is the ONLY police department within LA County NOT using a repeater system. The end effect on Bell PD has been nothing. But the death of four very good police officers will force officals to act and act quickly -- . While we support good over evil -- the innocent may have to pay for the sins of others. |
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| Author: | Rich [ Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:20 am ] |
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Here is some interesting reading: http://www.interceptradio.com/wiki/index.php/Jack_Gerritsen_KG6IRO |
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